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The Pagan Connection to Jesus Christ

August 20th, 2010 by jgrimes

The Pagan Connection to Jesus Christ

By IntimatEvolution

 If you have ever questioned the vitality of the Christ story, you must read  some of the comparisons from the extremely talents, and versed hubber writer Rishy Rich.   This intellectual, dream boat one day, was participating in the HubPages.com community religious forum.   Rishy Rich brought up the Horus comparison to Jesus Christ.  I didn’t even know there was such thing, but, boy what he had to say, really peaked my interest in the subject matter.  I hope it will bring you as intrigue and fun, as it did for me.
Here is his actual thread on the subject matter:

 

The Parallels Between Jesus and Horus

by Rishy Rich“The sun-god Horus was worshiped nearly 1,000 years before the story of Jesus.”

1. Both were conceived of a virgin.

2. Both were the “only begotten son” of a god (either Osiris or Yahweh)

3. Horus’s mother was Meri, Jesus’s mother was Mary.

4. Horus’s foster father was called Jo-Seph, and Jesus’s foster father was Joseph.

5. Both foster fathers were of royal descent.

6. Both were born in a cave (although sometimes Jesus is said to have been born in a stable).

7. Both had their coming announced to their mother by an angel.

  • Horus’ birth was heralded by the star Sirius (the morning star).
  • Jesus had his birth heralded by a star in the East (the sun rises in the East).

8. Ancient Egyptians celebrated the birth of Horus in December.

9. Both births were announced by angels.

10. Both had shepherds witnessing the birth.

11. Horus was visited at birth by “three solar deities” and Jesus was visited by “three wise men”.

12. After the birth of Horus, Herut tried to have Horus murdered. After the birth of Jesus, Herod tried to have Jesus murdered.
13. To hide from Herut, the god that tells Isis, “Come thou goddess Isis, hide thyself with thy child.” To hide from Herod, an angel tells Joseph to “arise and take the young child and his mother and flee into Egypt.”
14. When Horus came of age, he had a special ritual where hsi eye was restored. When Jesus (and other Jews) come of age, they have a special ritual called a Bar Mitzvah.
15. Both Horus and Jesus were 12 at this coming-of-age ritual, Neither have any official recorded life histories between the ages of 12 and 30.
16. Horus was baptized in a river.
17. Both were baptized at age 30.
18. Horus was baptized by Anup the Baptizer.  Jesus was baptized by John the Baptist.
19. Both Anup and John were later beheaded.
20. Horus was taken from the desert of Amenta up a high mountain to be tempted by his arch-rival Set. Jesus was taken from the desert in Palestine up a high mountain to be tempted by his arch-rival Satan.
21. Both Horus and Jesus successfully resist this temptation.
22. Both had 12 disciples.
23. Both walked on water, casted out demons, healed the sick, and restored sight to the blind.
24. Horus “stilled the sea by his power.” Jesus commanded the sea to be still by saying, “Peace, be still.”
25. Horus raised his dead father (Osiris) from the grave.  Jesus raised Lazarus from the grave. (Note the similarity in names when you say them out loud. Further, Osiris was also known as Asar, which is El-Asar in Hebrew, which is El-Asarus in Latin.)
26. Osiris was raised in the town of Anu. Lazarus was raised in Bethanu (literally, “house of Anu”).
27. Both gods delivered a Sermon on the Mount.
28. Both were crucified.
29. Both were crucified next to two thieves.
30. Both were buried in a tomb.
31. Horus was sent to Hell and resurrected in 3 days. Jesus was sent to Hell and came back “three days” later.
32. Both had their resurrection announced by women.
33. Both are supposed to return for a 1000-year reign.
34. Horus is known as KRST, the anointed one.  Jesus was known as the Christ (which means “anointed one”).
35. Both Jesus and Horus have been called the good shepherd, the lamb of God, the bread of life, the son of man, the Word, the fisher, and the winnower.
36. Both are associated with the zodiac sign of Pisces (the fish).
37. Both are associated with the symbols of the fish, the beetle, the vine, and the shepherd’s crook.
38. Horus was born in Anu (“the place of bread”) and Jesus was born in Bethlehem (“the house of bread”).
39. “The infant Horus was carried out of Egypt to escape the wrath of Typhon. The infant Jesus was carried into Egypt to escape the wrath of Herod. Concerning the infant Jesus, the New Testament states the following prophecy: ‘Out of Egypt have I called my son.’”
40. Both were transfigured on the mount.
41. The catacombs of Rome have pictures of the infant Horus being held by his mother, not unlike the modern-day images of “Madonna and Child.”
Noted English author C. W. King says that both Isis and Mary are called “Immaculate”.
42. Horus says: “Osiris, I am your son, come to glorify your soul, and to give you even more power.” And Jesus says: “Now is the Son of Man glorified and God is glorified in him. If God is glorified in him, God will glorify the Son in himself, and will glorify him at once.”
Horus was identified with the Tau (cross).

“Approximately 46 similarities were identified between these two, however some of the similarities are considered debatable. Although I’m not confident about the authenticity of these parallels, I would like to know your opinion.”—Rishy Rich

Unfortunately for HubPages, Rishy Rich frizzled out of the hubber scene like so many people do, and no longer writes hub articles.  Too bad, and we wish him lots of luck in his endeavors.

Keeping the Two as One

http://www.zenit.org/article-27803?l=english

Now as an amateur, religious historian and Christian philosopher, I immediately turned to my own beliefs in a new light.  What I loved about Rishy’s comparisons is that he made you think about Christianity from far-off perspectives. Whereas nobody else does anymore.  It has been my ever evolving, Christian, belief that Christianity is a mixture of many different religions.  I have always felt Christ was foretold in the bible, and was the true son of God.  However,  this Horus comparison is hard to dismiss.   Could it really be the irony, behind the intangible tempest, which separates the folds of these two legends?  Or is there factual reasonings here, which proves that the Christian version of  Jesus Christ, was basically a copyright infringement?

There is no denying that many of these forty-some, listed, comparisons  are really quite amazing.  The comparisons definitely add in a ray of reasonable doubt and bewilderment to the Christian order.  Forever questioning the rites and passages of the Christian faith, in hopes of making it better, and free of false truths and unnecessary clutter, I naturally searched Google on the subject matter.  I picked a very interesting site, www.kingdavid8.com.  It would appear that from the get go, the authors at kingdavid8.com debunked Rishy Rich’s parallels almost immediately or did they?

You decide!

Kingdavid8.com writes:

1) Horus was born of the virgin Isis-Meri on December 25th, in a cave/manger with his birth being announced by a star in the East, and attended by three wise men.

Let’s take this one apart and deal with each separate issue:

Horus’ mother was not a virgin. She was married to Osiris, and there is no reason to suppose she was abstinent after marriage.  Horus was, per the story, miraculously conceived.  Seth had killed and dismembered Osiris, then Isis put her husband’s dead body back together and had intercourse with it. In some versions, she used a hand-made phallus since she wasn’t able to find that part of her husband.  So while it was a miraculous conception, it was not a virgin birth.

My Rebuttal

I underlined the part, that is of importance to me.  I do not find much difference between a miraculous conception, and a “virgin” birth.  They are both “godly” miracles.  That is the critical question here, was the birth of Christ miraculous or not?  If he is God’s true son, well then it had to be.  In my article about Christ’s twin brother, I broach this subject of the Immaculate Conception.   I think people, particularity Christians make up reasons for  miracle.  Whereas in any other religion, miracles are miracles, without reasons.  Take Christ’s birth, if God so willed the natural birth divine, is it not divine?  Why must it have been an Immaculate Conception, or of virgin birth at all?  Moreover, what of Christ’s siblings?

Mary, I feel was no virgin people.

As for the comparison, immaculate means miraculous, therefore the comparison stands, and what of the virgin birth?  Man-made words of ill design.  Immaculate, is a word of ancient linguistic origins, and extremely astute in its meaning.  It appears in attempt to cover up this main comparison, the Catholic Church at one time or another, covered up the immaculate/miracle, and used the words “Virgin Birth” too bear false meaning.   No matter how Christ was born, his birth was a miracle.  He is the supposed  son of God- that is a miracle in itself.

The Catholic Church goes to great lengths, to justify their reasoning behind their Virgin Mary theory.  Although, it is my opinion that the truth never needs, such a lengthy monologue to tell a story, and a story completely showered in doubt.  This “Virgin Mary” folktale has always plagued the Catholic Church.  For the longest time, it was the only thing that separated Catholics from Coptic believers.  It’s my further opinion, they need to let loose of it, and let’s be honest for once here, they need to plainly declare Christ’s birth to be a miraculous birth, as the ancient Egyptians did with Horus.  Christ was a plain man.  Though, richly divine and made by God, the “virgin birth,” does not even fit his style.  God never wanted Christ to stand out in a materialistic way, or in any way that could make the truth behind him, seem unreasonable.  The very idea of Christ being born unto a virgin, does everything that God was against.  It shadows Christ in a cloak of doubt.  Shed the cloak, shed the doubt.

In reference to the The kingdavid8.com site, well it just continued trying to debunk, Rishy Rich’s number one reason, as listed above for debunking the whole Horus/Jesus comparison.  Although I must add, without really questioning the thought processes, that could have brought ought such theories and revelations, in the first place.  Somewhat sloppy debunking if you ask me.  As for myself, I have made Organic Chemistry to be a personal development blog, through truth and revelations.  In essence to debunk the debunkers.  In this adventure, many of my personal religious findings, have clearly remained the same.   Stuff like this for now, backs up my personal philosophies.

Like this philosophy of mine:
“The human race is a constant, tribal, band-of-drifters, needing nothing more than ‘hope’ to define their meaning for life, and want for religion.”

It is in all humans,  to question the unknown, without first appearing upon the answers laid before them.  Is there some direct correlation to the Horus myth, and Jesus Christ?  Without a doubt in my mind, there most certainly is.  It does not take a deep thinker, to understand why earlier man might have wanted to combine the two myths together, and make them into one.  As I preciously wrote in my Christian/Pagan Similarities blog, the Catholic Church in its beginning took many Pagan symbols, rituals, and holidays, and made them into Christian ones.  Why then does one think, that they would have not done the same, in the case of Jesus Christ?

The true message from this is that, Jesus Christ was definitely a man.  Furthermore, even though there are no archaeological findings that back this theory, Christ indeed walked this earth.  His message of love and peace, were so divinely powerful, that it forever left its mark on the human race, and all of its cultural societies.  It is quite apparent to me that Christ was a God-like character.  Why else would entire nations of men, choose to personally follow him?   Although, the comparisons are quite real- Horus was never the man Jesus Christ was.

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Voodoo Practices and Disperse Negativity Spell

March 19th, 2010 by jgrimes

Lately I have become interested in spells, magick and voodoo. I found their individual concepts interesting, and some of their methods intriguing. However, am I converting to their forms of religion? I think not. Never the less though, I am interested in incorporating some aspects of theirs, into my own faith. Recently enough, I wrote an article about making voodoo dolls spiffy. I have had lots of good feedback, and it was an interestingly fun craft project. The Voodoo religion itself, lacks a fixed theology and an organized hierarchy. Unlike that found in Roman Catholicism, and Christian Protestant faiths. Many voodoo participants consider that aspect of their faith, part of their Catholic religious rites and practices. Especially since they earnestly believe in the power of purgatory, and the servitude of spirits. Though, many Haitians do distinguish the differences between serving spiritual ancestors, and practicing black sorcery. Basically voodoo is of African ethnicity, Roman Catholic based religion that serves three categories of spiritual beings called the Lemô, Lemistè, and Lemarasa. Translation…, “the dead”, “the mysteries,” and “the sacred twins.” The family of spirits together, is called the “loua.” Remember, Haiti is a French speaking country, with many words coming from their creole hertiage.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I found an Internet website called, CountryStudies.com. They offer a clear cut dialog about the many different aspects of voodooism. For instance they write,

 

 

“The belief system of voodoo revolves around family spirits (often called loua or mistè) who are inherited through maternal and paternal lines. Loua protect their “children” from misfortune. In return, families must “feed” the loua through periodic rituals in which food, drink, and other gifts are offered to the spirits. There are two kinds of services for the loua. The first is held once a year; the second is conducted much less frequently, usually only once a generation. Many poor families, however, wait until they feel a need to restore their relationship with their spirits before they conduct a service. Services are usually held at a sanctuary on family land. Ancestors (le mò) rank with the family loua as the most important spiritual entities in voodoo. Elaborate funeral and mourning rites reflect the important role of the dead. Ornate tombs throughout the countryside reveal how much attention Haiti gives to its dead. Voodooists believe the dead are capable of forcing their survivors to construct tombs and sell land. In these cases, the dead act like family loua, which “hold” family members to make them ill or bring other misfortune. The dead also appear in dreams to provide their survivors with advice or warnings. Voodoo practitioner also believes there are loua that can be paid to bring good fortune or protection from evil. And, they believe that souls can be paid to attack enemies by making them ill. Folk belief includes zombies and witchcraft. Zombies are either spirits or people whose souls have been partially withdrawn from their bodies. Some Haitians resort to bokò, who are specialists in sorcery and magic. Haiti has several secret societies whose members practice sorcery. Voodoo specialists, male houngan and female manbo, mediate between humans and spirits through divination and trance. They diagnose illnesses and reveal the origins of other misfortune. They can also perform rituals to appease spirits or ancestors or to repel magic. Many voodoo specialists are accomplished herbalists who treat a variety of illnesses.”

 

Disperse Negativity Spell

Just for grins, I added my favorite spell!

You will need:

1 – Broom

2 - Black candles

2 - White candles

1 - Sprig of Rue

3 - drps of Pennyroyal oil

(in a bowl of spring water)

Paper and Pen

Sandalwood incense

 

  1. Sweep the air to clear the energy before you do the spell.
  2. Set up white candles in the north and east and black candles in the south and west.
  3. Light the incense and candles and sit in the center.
  4. Inhale deeply and relax then dip the rue into the water and splash yourself with it saying: “Bad luck (or whatever you wish to get rid off) – be gone!” Do this at least nine times.
  5. Then write on the paper what you want to let go of, and after you have done, draw a big cross over it.
  6. Burn the paper in the black south candle flame.
  7. Bury the ashes.
Remember- it is very important to conduct any spell in a positive environment, with best intentions. It is good to follow the old rule that what ever bad you wish or harm to be done, it usually comes back to you three times fold.

Voodoo Man

Voodoo Man at a Party

Have Fun!

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